Our Children Come First

The latest news from the Gaza war is the fact that a UN school was hit by IDF forces, and supposedly many civilians were killed (having been put there for expressly this reason, of course).

You know what?

It may not be politically correct, but I don’t give a damn. (Every once in a while I long for the days before I became an observant Jew. The four letters I would have loved to use here don’t start with “d”…)

I am not alone. Thank G-d the government, despite the strength of the liberal media, has finally realized that the Israeli people care more about their own soldiers than the enemy’s civilians. Haaretz writes that one of the lessons learned from the Second Lebanon War is that the IDF must use every means at its disposal in order to protect its combat forces, even if it means innocent civilians are killed.

(And, for those still squeamish. Have you ever thought of what every mother in the world already knows? That if you reward behavior it continues, and if you ignore it it stops? If the IDF continues to fight, even if civilians are used as human shields, then the terrorists will realize that it won’t work. Especially if their own people punish them for it afterwards.)

In short, our children come first.

It’s about time.

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27 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. rickismom
    Jan 07, 2009 @ 06:03:47

    “It’s about time.”
    Yes, isn’t it……

  2. Leora
    Jan 07, 2009 @ 11:20:17

    Yes. Especially the mother analogy.

  3. Shira Salamone
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 02:49:08

    I linked to this post.

  4. Lady-Light
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 07:47:39

    Thank you! You have the courage to say what all of us should be saying: WE CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN and SOLDIERS and CITIZENS. It has come to US, or THEM, and we have the right, no, the DUTY to protect and defend ourselves.
    The Arabs should be responsible for their own people. So far, they’re doing a lousy job of it. And WE are being blamed??

    Want to hear something interesting, and shocking? My husband and I just saw a preview of a film which has not yet opened here. It’s called DEFIANCE, and is about the Bielski brothers who escaped into the forests in Belorussia and saved 1200 Jews during the Nazi era. The movie was GOOD and spontaneous audience applause broke out at the end. And then, the “analysis” came after it was over and the lights went on.

    Do you know what the ‘moderator’ asked? She asked (paraphrasing), ‘does anyone have any questions about the ETHICAL QUESTIONS this film raises?” She was referring to the Jewish escapees killing Nazis in their fight to survive, with very few weapons and barely any food–and equating that with the Nazi systematic process to exterminate the Jewish population of Eastern Europe.

    I was in shock at this quesetion, when someone else from the audience (several people, actually) spoke up and said there is NO MORAL EQUIVALENCY; a former IDF soldier also got up with the same comment.

    The fact that the question was even posed indicates that the liberal world has no clue what morality is, and no clue what is evil and what is not…WE have to show them, and be the vanguard.

  5. RR
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 11:59:21

    Damn straight!

  6. joel
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 14:19:45

    I can’t understand what all the fuss is all about. I mean not about the school, i mean about Palestine and Israel in general. Can anyone (one from each side hopefully) give me a brief history lesson? You lot really need to stop the violence thing. We had it over here for years with Ireland. I’ve no idea how that was solved, but hopefully you guys can do the same and stop blowing each other up and breeding hatred and no hope into your children. blimey. What a world.

  7. westbankmama
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 15:20:03

    Joel – start by looking at my sidebar at the top, ABC’s of the Middle East conflict.

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  9. Leora
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 17:06:10

    Joel, Israel does not = Ireland. Please take some time to learn some Israeli history.

    Golda Meir once said (something like): “The Arabs will stop fighting us when they love their children more than they hate Jews.”

  10. marcgott
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 19:24:16

    Joel,

    The Israel/Arab conflict goes deeper and longer than The Troubles. There is almost no basis for comparison.

    6,000,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust, 1939-1945.

    In 1948, perhaps in a mood of collective guilt, or just that they didn’t want to deal with the influx of Jewish refugees from Europe, the UN voted in favor of partitioning Britain’s Palestine Mandate into a Jewish and Arab State. Arabs didn’t like that. Tried to kill us. Their claim is that we stole their land.

    Our religion teaches us that the land was promised to us by God. We didn’t come in to start a holy war; the founders of the State of Israel were fairly anti-religious. Arabs didn’t like that. Tried to kill us. Their claim is that we’re infidels.

    Sinn Fein had a change of heart, and the conflict essentially evaporated.

  11. roger levy
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 20:16:15

    As a Jew I only feel shame at Israel’s action…once again they are killing the inocent…as a Jew not in my name…all of you need a history lesson…go and read the history of Palastine…but you just don’t want the truth do you? Israel peace that is the biggest joke…they could have peace today…give back what they stole…

    Roger Levy
    Shame on Israel…long live Hamas long live Palastine especially the children…

  12. Stefano
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 20:42:13

    I could never understand why people hated Israel so much, now I see why.
    You will never have peace,and the whole world hates you.

    “God’s chosen people” ? I don’t think so…..I hope God can forgive you, though I think even He has abandoned you now.

    You make me sick.

  13. the truth
    Jan 08, 2009 @ 21:26:04

    your actions now will come back to haunt your children. israel needs to think about its future.

  14. Jack
    Jan 09, 2009 @ 02:59:40

    Roger,

    I have a hard time believing that you are Jewish. Not that it matters, Jewish people can criticize Israel. But if you want to be taken seriously you need to provide some support for the wild allegations you made.

    Give us a history lesson. Maybe you want to talk about the origin of the name Palestine. Maybe you want to talk about the Roman influence and how they punished the Jews by renaming the country.

    Maybe you want to look at the historical literature and literature that discusses Jews and Palestine. Because for a long time if you referred to the citizens of Palestine you weren’t talking about Arabs.

    Really, I am interested in hearing what you have to say. Give us a history lesson.

    Stefano,

    So we make you sick. How insightful. Do people who use children as human shields make you sick. Do people who blow up buses of innocent people make you sick.

    Somehow I get the feeling that this doesn’t bother you. But maybe I am wrong. Maybe you condemn all violence. Maybe you’re capable of balance.

    And truth, well, Israel is thinking about its future. Israel is taking steps so that terrorists will not feel free to try and murder its citizens. It is the same step all civilized nations take.

  15. Malkah
    Jan 09, 2009 @ 04:38:58

    Stefano – are you blind? That would be the only way you could even consider the idea that God has abandoned the Jewish people. Open miracles are happening before the world’s very eyes. The miracle of our return to our country after 2000 years of being in exile – who could ever have imagined that could ever happen? The very idea is so far-fetched as to be beyond belief. But God IS with us, and so it is happening just as the Torah said it would:

    “And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse which I have set before thee, and thou shalt think thyself among all the nations, whither the LORD they God hath driven thee… that then the LORD they God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. If any of thine that are dispersed be even in the uttermost heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will He fetch thee. And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy forefathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and He will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.” Deut 30: 1-5

    If God was not with us, this Torah prophecy would not be coming true. The Jews, a tiny and historically downtrodden, disempowered, and oppressed group of only a few million souls, would not now be back in our homeland, be prospering and flourishing, and be able to capably defend ourselves against hundreds of millions of hostile neighbours. And speaking of defense, that alone is a great miracle. For many years Israeli towns have suffered under constant bombarbment of rockets – thousands have fallen, and for all that, extremely few of our precious people have been killed by them. Recently the media has been comparing negatively against us these few casualties as a result of thousands of missiles, as if they were trying to show that these missiles are harmless and the Israelis should just let it continue and do nothing to stop them. The media calls the rockets harmless and disparages them as being “homemade”. If these rockets are powerful enough to destroy homes and synagogues and classrooms, how is it that they so rarely manage to destroy Jews? The answer here is also in the teachings of our holy prophets:

    “Behold, they may gather together, but not by Me; whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall because of thee… No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper.” Isaiah 54:15-17

    When Israel was first re-established, the armies of five different Arab states attacked us, yet it was THEM, and not us, who went back home humiliated because the lot of them could not defeat the tiny, barely-populated little Jewish state. God is not with us?

    We have a promise from God that we will be returned to our homeland and that He will protect us there from those who try to harm us. By all accounts, the Creator of the Universe has no intention of backing out of his promises.

  16. Malkah
    Jan 09, 2009 @ 04:59:00

    I agree with the author that we must put our own children first. If we won’t, who will? Certainly not the rest of the world, which endlessly protests Israeli counter-attacks on terrorists, but has never once taken to the streets to protest the terrorism itself. They protest the “apartheid wall”, but never the suicide bombings that led to the need for it to be built. They protest “Israeli-only” roads, but never the shootings and kidnappings of Israelis that led to the need to designate roads as Israeli-only. Oh yes, that tells us all we need to know of what the world’s opinion is with regard to the right of our children to live free from constant attacks.

    Anyways, for the viewing pleasure of anybody sympathetic to the poor people of Sderot, here is a wonderful video account by a young woman who describes what it is like to live in such a place:

    By the time the end came, I was crying along with her…

  17. Kris
    Jan 09, 2009 @ 12:38:41

    Interesting, i left a comment earlier (i think it was comment number 7), in which i criticised Israel’s actions (remember, more than 700 Palestinians dead, less than a dozen Israelis dead), and it seems to have been taken off the board. A case of censorship and not wanting an open discussion ? As a European, i am deeply ashamed that we are still supplying Israel with weapons with which to (mass) murder Palestinians. And whenever anyone non-Jewish criticises Israel, Israelis call them Fascists or Holocaust-deniers (as was the case just yesterday, when the Vatican spokesperson dared to criticise Israel). How long will Israel use its past to justify its murderous policies on Palestinians ?

  18. Stefano
    Jan 09, 2009 @ 20:46:39

    Jack,

    I fail to understand how you can equate the word ‘civilised’ with a country like Israel after what is happening now in Gaza.

    Yes I deplore all violence, all life is sacred as it was given by God, but when you are dispossesed of your land and, faced with utter despair, with the prospect of servitude, expulsion or annihilation – and with indifference of the world at large, is it any wonder some Palestinians resort to using themselves as human bombs ?

    Terrorism or resistance ? Israel seeks to portray the Palestinians as violent terrorists and themselves as the innocent victims, yet Israel has the fourth most powerful army in the world, equipped with F16 planes,
    Apache helicopter gunships, Merkava tanks and nuclear weapons and acts with impunity. 800 Palestinians now lie dead since Israel’s attack on Gaza.

    Israel can end this conflict now by…..

    Immediate end of Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza

    The right to self determination for the Palestinian people

    The right of return for Palestinian refugees

    East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine

  19. Jack
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 03:47:54

    War is not a game. It is not about an equal playing field. Israel left Gaza in 2005. Hamas could have spent the time since then building schools, hospitals, parks etc. They did not. They chose to use violence. They chose to try and terrorize Israel and now they must pay the price. No civilized nation would allow their populace to be treated this way. None.

    It doesn’t matter how many people have died. It is not about 13 versus 700. It is about years of terrorism in which Hamas did their best to murder and terrorize without regard.

    As a European, i am deeply ashamed that Let me finish that statement for you. As a European I am deeply ashamed for being part of the continent that launched two world wars, promoted slavery, is responsible for the barbarism of the crusades and completely ignores how Africa burns. As a European I am ashamed to be associated with this hypocrisy and the ignorant remarks my fellow Europeans make.

    I fail to understand how you can equate the word ‘civilised’ with a country like Israel after what is happening now in Gaza.

    Stefano,

    I could demonstrate this in person. Let me make it easy. I am going to come to your home. Every day I am going to throw bricks at your house. Let’s see how long it takes before you decide to confront me. By your arguments I am assuming that I should be able to continue attacking you and your family for as long as I feel like.

    Yes I deplore all violence, all life is sacred as it was given by God, but when you are dispossesed of your land and, faced with utter despair, with the prospect of servitude, expulsion or annihilation – and with indifference of the world at large, is it any wonder some Palestinians resort to using themselves as human bombs ?

    When all you do is share propaganda it makes it hard to have real discussion. What land was dispossessed. Who owned it. You are aware that from 1948-’67 Gaza was controlled by Egypt and Jordan had control of the West Bank. Why didn’t they just turn it over to the Palestinians. Maybe it is because there never was a Palestine run by Palestinians.

    Terrorism or resistance ? Israel seeks to portray the Palestinians as violent terrorists and themselves as the innocent victims, yet Israel has the fourth most powerful army in the world, equipped with F16 planes,

    This is just nonsense. Having a powerful army does not mean that you cannot be terrorized. But for the heck of it let’s talk about it. If all of the attacks were against soldiers maybe we could say that they were military operations. But they aren’t. They are on buses and schools, restaurants and supermarkets. We all know how those supermarkets are evil.

  20. Kris
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 12:56:44

    Jack,

    Yes, as a European I am part of the Continent that started 2 world wars. But (living in the UK myself) I am also part of the continent that fought hardest against Facism. And being part Indian (my father is a Hindu), I am also part of the continent that was colonised and exploited the worst by the British. Should I now hate the British for that ? We’re never going to move on and resolve anything if we constantly go back to the past. And yes, as a European I feel particularly ashamed by fellow Europeans who ignore the fact that Israel is slaughtering Palestinians while the world is looking the other way, afraid of criticising Israel for fear of being labelled Facist (as always seems to happen when anyone criticises Israel in any way).

  21. westbankmama
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 16:12:55

    Just a note: anyone who uses language comparing Israelis to Nazis will automatically be deleted.

  22. Jack
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 17:34:57

    Kris,

    Israel is not slaughtering Palestinians. It is not even close. I know that it is in vogue to say that. And I understand that many of you walk around with blinders on, because that is the only way that you can ignore the culpability of Hamas.

    It is tragic that innocents are being killed, but Israel is trying to avoid it.

    One of the most telling signs of the character of people are their comments and actions. All around the net I see a general theme that goes something like this.

    If Israel wasn’t so bad the Palestinians wouldn’t have to act so immorally. If Israel wasn’t so bad the Palestinians wouldn’t have to go blow up schools and buses. Blah, blah, blah.Poor Palestinians, they have an excuse to engage in barbarism.

    Well we’re not going to accept it. If you want to treat them like children and give them no responsibility that is your problem, not ours. If you want to make excuses for terror in Mumbai, in Chechnya and the Congo, well that is your choice.

    But until we see that you are balanced in your cries about humanity. Until we see that you have a clue about the world we are not going to pay much attention. Because you have a history of watching while people die.

    Not just us. I am not just talking about the Holocaust but a hundred incidents since then. And again I’ll harp on Africa. Africa burns and no one does anything. So spare me the self-righteous act because you have no credibility.

  23. Kris
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 17:59:32

    So jack,

    You (and Israel in general) are the safeguards of the truth, are you ? You are the chosen people, and the rest of the world doesn’t know what they are talking about ? What incredible arrogance. The same kind of arrogance I already hated in George Bush, the main ‘friend’ Israel still has. And yes, there is a lot going wrong in Africa, as you keep mentioning. But i don’t really see Israel giving much of a shit either. And by the way: while Israel is happy to receive money, arms and security, maybe they do also have the obligation to listen to the views of the rest of the world. It is Israelis who are looking the other way, not anyone else

  24. Stefano
    Jan 10, 2009 @ 19:22:25

    “For I the Lord love JUSTICE! I hate robbery and inequity.”-Isaiah 62:8

    “I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.”-Jeremiah 2:7

    “On your clothes men find the blood of the innocent poor.”-Isaiah 2:34

    “My people are fools; they do not know me. They are senseless children; they have no understanding. They are skilled in doing evil.”-Jeremiah 4:22

  25. westbankmama
    Jan 11, 2009 @ 04:33:53

    Please note, after a few “interesting comments” containing references to religious Jews and our breeding capabilities, I have decided to turn on the comment moderation. I also reserve the right to delete comments justifying suicide bombers. My blog, my call.

  26. Jack
    Jan 11, 2009 @ 08:27:33

    Kris,

    It is not arrogant to ask you to use fact and logic in your arguments. You use neither.

    You are the chosen people, and the rest of the world doesn’t know what they are talking about
    I never said anything about chosen people. That is either your own insecurity or bigotry speaking. As for your comment about the rest of the world I haven’t any problem saying that it is a foolish argument.

    Majority views have been wrong time and time again. At one point in time people thought that child sacrifice and slavery were ok. At one point in time people thought that the Earth was flat or that the sun rotated around it.

    The majority of the world could say that man can give birth, but that doesn’t make it so.

    It is painful to have to admit that you are wrong.I recognize that you prefer not to admit it. But you are. If you want to have an honest and open conversation you need to bring facts in. You need to do more than try to use emotion.

    I’ll say time and time again that Israel should be criticized. Every country deserves to be criticized. But it must be reasonable and balanced criticism. You want to say that Israel is acting improperly, ok fine.

    But you better include something about the barbaric actions of Hamas and their attempts to kill indiscriminately.

    You want to say that you are a humanitarian and concerned about people. Well you better include comments about the barbarism and inhumane treatment around the world.

    I look at the protests against Israel and I see comments that Jews should go to the ovens. When I don’t see condemnation of these comments I know that they are being given the greenlight by others. I know that fellow protesters and organizers accept them.

    In theory there are probably those who find them abhorrent, but I haven’t heard from them. So I have to say that I am dealing with bigots who are ignorant, but still bigots.

    I am dealing with bigots who say that Hitler should have finished the job and also happen to support terrorists. So I look at the protesters and write them off as being nothing more than useful idiots.

    I know, that sounds arrogant. Too bad. You can suck on rocks and cry for all I care. Until you prove me wrong you are cheese eating surrender monkey who doesn’t care if my family dies.

    Prove me wrong. Show me where you criticize the many perpetrators of human rights violations. Show me some facts about the conflict. Tell me something that shows that you have a clue about the history of the region and maybe we’ll have a place to begin talking.

    Somehow I doubt that you will. It is probably easier to call me arrogant, an uppity Jew. And that is ok with me.

  27. Kris
    Jan 11, 2009 @ 18:19:19

    jack,

    well, the fact that you think Israel’s actions are completely OK, despite (most of) the rest of the world thinking Israel’s actions are pretty wrong, does make you very arrogant indeed. Fact is also that now around 800 palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army (and more than a third of that number being civilians, mostly women and children), while only around a dozen Israeli soldiers have been killed (and according to most newspapers, less than half of those killed by Palestinian militants). That is fact. Now call me old-fashioned, but proportionality is some kind of indicator here that something is going extremely wrong. This kind of disproportionate killing also goes against what is laid out in the Geneva Conventions as being acceptable. And that is fact as well. The UN school that was hit by the Israeli army actually gave its exact position to the Israeli army long before it was hit. And the film that was subsequently put on Youtube by the Israeli army (showing Palestinians firing from the school) was actually old footage from 2007. And that is fact as well. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone was firing from that building, only the army’s word, and I am sorry (call me cynical), I don’t believe any army’s official statements anymore. It goes absolutely against any international agreements to attack a UN building (and kill people who sought refuge in the building in the process).

    the truth is, you have absolutely no facts to support your argument, only your own emotions about how bad Palestinians are. That is not fact. And that makes you pretty blinded (I would go as far as to say brainwashed) and arrogant indeed. The Israeli government is really doing its best – now that Bush is going – to become the most hated government in the world.

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