The Discussion Continues About Megeirot

Mom in Israel has her take on Megeirot here, including some very interesting comments.

Batya does some research too – make sure to read the comments here also.

As to the validity of the sources in the Makor Rishon article – the author says that she had more than one source for everything she wrote in the article, and that she attempted to interview Sylvie herself but was refused. In addition she quotes Rebbetzin Lior, who says that she has had to counsel people hurt by Sylvie.

We have a subscription to Makor Rishon, so I read it every week. In my opinion the newspaper is reliable, and it is not known for sensational articles.

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4 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. mother in israel
    May 23, 2008 @ 10:36:26

    Thank you and Shabbat shalom.

  2. Batya
    May 25, 2008 @ 04:41:03

    Thank you for the link.
    Considering that Megirot has been going on for at least 10 years and the hundreds, thousands? of women who have participated, it may be best for only them to be discussing and judging it. That’s why I asked my neighbor, who is a group leader.
    Anything that large and old will have a totally mixed bag of stories, both good and bad. People with doubts, questions and serious problems also attend and may use it to justify all sorts of “negative” behavior. (My neighbor gave me such a example, which I wouldn’t blog in more detail than I just did.)
    Today many of the group leaders are “third generation,” meaning that they never dealt with Sylvia. They were trained by those she had trained.

  3. Yehuda
    Jun 12, 2008 @ 17:05:20

    Great Loshon Horah. Great Motzei shem Rah!…Congratulations on spreading lies about people, their families, their children, all on the hearsey of others who hold grudges and have ulterier motives.
    I am sorry to break up your motzei shem rah party. I have read Shmirot Haloshon about 14 times in detail, including in depth, and you are no different than any other group of Ballei loshon horah, or even worse, Motzei Shem Rah, which is considered by the Rambam to be equal to the severity of the 3 major sins of, avodah zorah, murder, and arios.
    My Chardei wife has been involved in megeriot for 4 years. It has absolutely changed her life and mine. She couldn’t take care of our household of 8. I was washing dishes. I was doing alot of the cooking and I almost couldn’t take anymore the non stop arguments between me and my wife. It was gehinnom. when I saw my wife changing, little by little, each month it was amazing. She became a Yiddeshe mother. No more anger. Her strength came back, and she does EVERYTHING in the house. She is a real kiddush hashem and speaks very nicely to the children, and me her husband. ….what a cult.!!!
    I saw her each day doing megirot. what did she do? she went through the shelves and drawers in the house “that she had made”, and was able to find many many things that she didn’t need. When you ask yourself a real question…why am i holding on to things I no longer use etc, you just may get to know yourself. The idea is to free ourselves from all of our negative thoughts, and limitations. And, each time she did this, she did it with a prayer. “Anah Hashem…..please help me with this middah or that middah.” Everyday she was saying over and over again ..Ana Hasem, (what a cult). It doesn’t surprise me that in our velt today, saying “anah Hashem is a cult”.
    Of course in the time of the Bal Shem Tov, the vilna goan and many others called him an epikores. In fact many Litveshe Rabbanim were very very against the Chassidic Admorim and put those in cherem who belonged to these “cults” as well.
    So, when I saw one day an article in the hamodia-English, filled with Motzei Shem Rah, with the name of this Rav and that Rav, that a new cult has been discovered..called megirot, I was very very disappointed. Why? I knew that these Rabbanim did not know anything about megirot and certainly didn’t go to a class, but they have their askanim who look around for problems and come back and report on things they see as problems. The rabbanim completely rely upon these askanim and that is it.
    Now, I have been learning in known Yeshivot for many years, and am considered a respectful Chareidi family. I am sorry, but I have seen for years with “my own ears and eyes,” (a prerequisite of shmirot Haloshon), and I know that saying “Anah Hashem”, (something that I myself should be saying more often,) and clearing out drawers, is in NO WAY whatsoever a cult or avoda zorah. I was ver dis heartened to see how low in this long golus we have sunk, to use such big names of Rabbanim and to say in their names “CULT”, avodah zorah”, and if they allowed their names to be used this way, then I am even more dis heartened.
    I myself have spoken to Sylvia for many many hours on the phone, and I never heard once a word of Kefirah, or avodah zorah etc. ANd I did keep my ears open to be sure. She is a Yirei Shemayim, and as is her derech, she will never respond to any criticism since she knows it is all from Hashem and for her to grow.
    I went to Harav Moshe Halbershtam, zt”l, with my wife, and he himself said, “What, clearing out your drawers is avodah zorah”?? He did not forbid my wife to do it, we in fact we asked why they came out with their P’sak, (i.e the aidah Hacharadit) against it. The answer… “WE don’t want our Chareidishe women mixing with the mizrachi type” This was the answer from Harav Shternbuch who I know personally.(So, if this is the reason, then say so,,, but to call it and everyone involved in it cult members and ovdei avoda zorah?)
    It should be known that the Chasidishe admorim did not assur it, Belz, and one very well know Tdadik type admore (I will not mention his name on the internet) Has 2 of his daughters still doing it, (with a Chareidi counselor).
    The one who wrote the artcile above (Erlich), I can promise you she is not very “Erlich” at all. She with out any permssion went into someone’s private home, (not a public building) with the direct intention to defame someone. I promise that the house owner would not have agreed, (g’neives daas). She is a friend of another mizrachi women who had a grudge against sylvia for not allowing her to continue with the shiurim.they planned this set up, and there you have it, lies about sex, money etc.
    I can tell you, that my wife has spent hundreds of hours on the phone with Sylvia over the years, and she was never charged one shekel!!!!! I myself have spoken to her on the phone, and she never asked for money. The one’s who pay are the one’s who are able to. She does not care about money. I am saying because I know first hand.
    Just like when someone comes to a dyan for a judgment, can the dyan hear the diyyun if he has personal gripe against the person? this Erlich is no better.
    I know of another chareidishe women from Meah Shearim, (I met her personally), and she begged Rav Halbershtam to allow her to continue with this “CULT”, and he did. (can you imagine a rav in the aida allowing a frum women to continue going to cult meetings.?
    Isn’t it disheartning that all of us poor nebech, chareidim with yeshiva and bais yaakov backgrounds, all of that Torah education…we can’t know what a cult is..avodah zora, etc.
    And all of those lies about sex, taking things out of context to do the final asassination.
    If I had lived 250 years ago, I would have chosen to be in cherem and follow the Baal Shem tovs cult, and of cours Rabbi Nachman’s. I also would have followed the Ramchal’s cult as well, (as they were all called in those days). Well, now I have a real wife, she cooks she cleans, she davens, she honors me and respects me, and she honors herself as well. This is another cult that I will stay in.
    Let it be known, not ever shiur is for everyone, not every shul is for everyone, and not every neighborhood is for everyone….but the Emmes must be spoken!
    I swear that all of the above I know personally, and not hearsay. All is true and factual.
    yehuda | 06.12.08 – 7:33 pm | #

  4. Isolated
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 16:32:55

    Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation 🙂 Anyway … nice blog to visit.

    cheers, Isolated
    .

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